fixin' for a bitch

[Sc'Eric (aka darkFIN)]

Actually, Pauline, I got what was perhaps Patrick's main point and I  stand behind it 100%: sending out an email a day or four before a gig  does not a promoter make.  Nor does adjoining said statement to  the fact of having the keys to an empty room... (But those things to  help.) 
  
  Whether you care to believe it or not, promoting an event more than a  month prior is absolutely essential to drawing a reasonable-size crowd.
  
  ~darkFIN
  
  ps. sqrew autothread  =)  

pgh-goth-list-request at listless.org wrote:Message: 9
Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 19:35:17 -0600
From: "Patrick Bowers" 
Subject: promoter's 
To: pgh-goth-list at listless.org
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As a former DJ, bar manager and club promoter i would like to give my 
perspective on things.
I've been on this list a few months and can see this discussion going 
nowhere.

I  paid for acts like The Cruxshadows and Bella Morte to play at my old  venue in Baton Rouge LA.  I have never once, not had a guarantee  to pay the bands when they came through. Pay to play doesn't work..  EVER.Cruxshadows cost me $400 bucks to book, i made $150 off them.Bella  Morte played a few dates for us, $400 bucks, food and a place to stay.  We made out on the 1st show by $200 and bombed the 2nd show.I booked  Kid 606, an electronic act, cost me $800 bucks upfront and a plane  ticket to fly him down from NYC. I made $860 bucks which i split with  another promoter.

I have seen alot of bands bust promoters pockets.  My old boss Colin 
Gibbens,  who used to manage Xymox, Front 242, FLA and Haujobb lost 10's of  thousands of dollars bringing the big bands through Baton Rouge. This  was all between 1997-2001.We also had alot of successful shows with  Pigface and VNV Nation come through.Unless you really go out and make  flyers, do radio ad spots, and spread word of mouth about your show  months - weeks in advance people will not show up.
Writing an e-mail to tell people about your show a few weeks in advance is not sufficient.

I  hope everyone in PGH can forget about the BS and help the scene out. It  seems that the eliteist goth/industrial people in every city decide not  to support other peoples shows, thus making what little scene there is  a PIECE OF SHIT that flops.Club Nights will Stopand people will do  house parties.In Baton Rouge we had a problem with the New Orleans  crowd, people felt they were too good to come to our shows and both  scenes ended up suffering.

So it falls on bothe the promoters to sell thier shows, and the people in 
the scene need to make it know what shows they want to see and go to them.

I  have been to Cleveland to see Front 242 a few months ago, it was  awesome. Its a shame there isn't the GI scene in PGH that there is  there. Stop BITCHING and start FIXING your local GI scene.




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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 21:24:03 -0500
From: "Pauline Law" 
Subject: Re: promoter's
To: "Patrick Bowers" 
Cc: pgh-goth-list at listless.org
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On 3/5/06, Patrick Bowers  wrote:

> Stop BITCHING and start FIXING your local GI scene.

dude, what the hell was the point of your post except to tell us that
you're better than all of this discussion's participants?


pauline



  




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