From jdecay at att.net Thu Feb 4 18:14:13 2010 From: jdecay at att.net (jdecay at att.net) Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 23:14:13 +0000 Subject: Midian In-Reply-To: <4B461922.7040308@columbus.rr.com> References: <010220101603.6789.4B3F6E550007966500001A8522218865869B0A02D29B9B0EBF970E0C0A0B06@att.net><40723.170.170.59.133.1262455831.squirrel@webmail8.pair.com> <4B461922.7040308@columbus.rr.com> Message-ID: <020420102314.25071.4B6B54C500083617000061EF22230706129B0A02D29B9B0EBF970E0C0A0B06@att.net> I don't recall seeing any mention of it on ye olde list, but there's a new weekly club night called Midian on Thursday's at Fate Lounge (former Rosebud space, though it looks far better than Rosebud ever did). Though the music definitely favors Industrial, there's just enough Goth thrown in to balance things out. And the Industrial side of things has a good deal of variation - from old school to new. I've been every week since it started and have enjoyed every night. The space is beautiful and parking is pretty easy (I'll admit to having first been a little nervous about that). About the only squick is that it started of All-ages, but was moved to 21+ when only a single-digit number of underagers were showing up. A shame, but completely understandable. I remember when Ceremony at Club Laga used to pull so many young folks in...I guess times have changed. I'm certainly looking forward to Midian tonight. J From scigirl543 at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 12:21:55 2010 From: scigirl543 at gmail.com (Maggie Fero) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 12:21:55 -0500 Subject: Single-Digit Numbers of Underage Attendees Message-ID: I think part of the problem is that underage people (being one myself) have trouble finding things to go to, especially since ever-increasingly high numbers are closing events to people under 21. There aren't too many concert listings that feature a lot of all-ages shows, and, even worse, sometimes age limits aren't given at all, and different venues want you to assume different things when no age limit is posted, so you have to call and leave a message, and wait for them to call you back, and then call whomever it is you want to go with you...it's a huge hassle. I'm really just whining at this point, but I wanted to get it out there :) ~Maggie On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:00 PM, wrote: > Send pgh-goth-list mailing list submissions to > pgh-goth-list at listless.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.listless.org/mailman/listinfo/pgh-goth-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > pgh-goth-list-request at listless.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > pgh-goth-list-owner at listless.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of pgh-goth-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Midian (jdecay at att.net) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 23:14:13 +0000 > From: jdecay at att.net > Subject: Midian > To: pgh-goth-list at listless.org > Message-ID: > < > 020420102314.25071.4B6B54C500083617000061EF22230706129B0A02D29B9B0EBF970E0C0A0B06 at att.net > > > > Content-Type: text/plain > > > > I don't recall seeing any mention of it on ye olde list, but there's a new > weekly club night called Midian on Thursday's at Fate Lounge (former Rosebud > space, though it looks far better than Rosebud ever did). > > > Though the music definitely favors Industrial, there's just enough Goth > thrown in to balance things out. And the Industrial side of things has a > good deal of variation - from old school to new. I've been every week since > it started and have enjoyed every night. The space is beautiful and parking > is pretty easy (I'll admit to having first been a little nervous about > that). > > > About the only squick is that it started of All-ages, but was moved to 21+ > when only a single-digit number of underagers were showing up. A shame, but > completely understandable. I remember when Ceremony at Club Laga used to > pull so many young folks in...I guess times have changed. > > > I'm certainly looking forward to Midian tonight. > > > J > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > pgh-goth-list mailing list > pgh-goth-list at listless.org > http://www.listless.org/mailman/listinfo/pgh-goth-list > > > End of pgh-goth-list Digest, Vol 77, Issue 1 > ******************************************** > From manny at garfieldartworks.com Fri Feb 5 14:14:10 2010 From: manny at garfieldartworks.com (manny at garfieldartworks.com) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 14:14:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: Single-Digit Numbers of Underage Attendees In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49598.70.17.180.237.1265397250.squirrel@webmail4.pair.com> Not so. As I've been saying in the past, tunnel vision is not reality. I have been in the music scene for 25 years. There used to be almost no all-ages venues in the '80s except really big theaters. A few all ages shows occasionally happened at mid-size clubs. I know about the pain of not having all ages events because i was at the pioneering end of trying to solve that problem. With partners, I opened and booked the first two all-ages venues in Pitsburgh in 1988 and 89. Post-Nirvana, things opened up. I did 1500+ all ages shows in the 90s. Shows on Pitt, CMU (and even Duquesne!) campuses boomed. Club Laga, Oakland Beehive were buzzing, etc. It was the last hurrah of the Oakland scene. At the turn of the millenium broke this barrier open further: I opened Millvale Industrial Theater and did several hundred more all ages shows. Mr Roboto Project started, along with several challengers. However Pitt and UPMC bought up everything and Oakland entertainment completely shut down. But the scene simply moved to the East End and South Side instead. Now there are a plethora of all ages venues of mid-size and small-size scale. Smalls, The Rex, Diesel, Altar Bar, Club Zoo are some of the midsize clubs, along with reopened Fate Lounge. Theaters like the New Hazlett, the Kelly-Strayhorn, Synod Hall, Carnegie Hall, Byham Theater, and Homestead Library are all ages. When mid-size venues do an all-ages concert, they announce it as such - on their flyers, on the online ticketing, on their website. There is no guessing - you do not have to "call". Roboto, Garfield Artworks (which has been an all ages venue since 2004), Modern Formations, 222 Ormsby, Helter Shelter, Most Wanted Fine Art, The Nerve, The Cellar, and Istanbul Cafe are some of the smaller ones. You don't have to "guess" whether a show there is all ages, because it always is. There are more house shows, as well, than ever before. Age restriction is obviously not an issue at any of these. Some shows at Belvedere's at 18+. That's the only example I can think where you might have to check ahead if you don't see a flyer. So, you don't have to "call" about hardly any of this. You just have to use some logic. Pegasus was all ages for almost all shows, too, until it changed hands. And therein lies the problem. If you are in college, and especially in high school: 1) You don't know the history of the scene so you don't know how good you have it now. 2) You don't know what is going on. If you are in college, the scene has left Oakland, but you aren't leaving Oakland (or Downtown) to follow it. If you are in high school, it's because you are looking at the wrong parts of the Internet - Myspace and Facebook won't give you all the information in one place like www.nevertellmetheodds.org does. 3) You can't get there. Possibly, the parents won't drive you (or won't approve of you driving) to the "bad parts of the city". Which, to suburbanites, is wherever they have a vague recollection that the TV news once upon a time told them that someone shot someone. 4) Your peers are simply not interested in specialized goth/industrial music anymore. The sounds have hybridized into the culture and been watered down to the point where a kid who would have been specifically into goth 10-15 years ago likes MSI, shops at Hot Topic and watches Abby on NCIS. This is evident in the attendance for many all-ages shows recently in the goth and industrial vein. Some recent all ages G/I shows at the Rex, Pegasus or Smalls either took a loss or barely broke even, and the younger contingent was not in evidence. I think, as one single underage person, you have the right to complain if the genre you are into does not present enough all-ages events. Yet that has not been so. In the goth-industrial scene, there have been consistent all-ages events presented. The only ones that haven't been have involved some kind of adult fetish/burlesque element. I agree with you that it's stupid that there are not more resources specifically geared to listing all-ages events, and that news sources often do not indicate whether an event is all-ages. But unless you start your own site or are somehow able to comprehensively change editorial policy at media companies, that's not going to change. So you have to use your own common sense and not feel like making a phone call or using the Internet is a "hassle". It's not much of a hassle, after all, when you can come up with a positive result, right? So the solution to your problem is easy. Go to live music events when you hear about them and use common sense and a bit of Internet savvy when trying to figure out if an event is all-ages. The rule is - if you and a bunch of other underagers are fans of the band, and the event isn't fetishy - then the event is *probably* all ages, because it is targeted to you! For example, there are at least three relevant shows coming up this month. The Feb 14 Jarboe show at Altar Bar is over 21, because it involves adult burlesque elements. But the other two are all ages: the Electronic Saviors release show at The Rex on Feb 18 and the Cold Cave show at Garfield Artworks on Feb 22. And if you want a comprehensive listing of dark music events, e-mail Jordan Decay, who is on this list, and compiles a concert page every two months for his zine, The Burnt Library. I'm sure he'll be more than happy to tell you which events are all-ages. Problem solved. -mt > I think part of the problem is that underage people (being one myself) > have > trouble finding things to go to, especially since ever-increasingly high > numbers are closing events to people under 21. There aren't too many > concert > listings that feature a lot of all-ages shows, and, even worse, sometimes > age limits aren't given at all, and different venues want you to assume > different things when no age limit is posted, so you have to call and > leave > a message, and wait for them to call you back, and then call whomever it > is > you want to go with you...it's a huge hassle. I'm really just whining at > this point, but I wanted to get it out there :) > > ~Maggie > > > On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:00 PM, > wrote: > >> Send pgh-goth-list mailing list submissions to >> pgh-goth-list at listless.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://www.listless.org/mailman/listinfo/pgh-goth-list >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> pgh-goth-list-request at listless.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> pgh-goth-list-owner at listless.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of pgh-goth-list digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Midian (jdecay at att.net) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 23:14:13 +0000 >> From: jdecay at att.net >> Subject: Midian >> To: pgh-goth-list at listless.org >> Message-ID: >> < >> 020420102314.25071.4B6B54C500083617000061EF22230706129B0A02D29B9B0EBF970E0C0A0B06 at att.net >> > >> >> Content-Type: text/plain >> >> >> >> I don't recall seeing any mention of it on ye olde list, but there's a >> new >> weekly club night called Midian on Thursday's at Fate Lounge (former >> Rosebud >> space, though it looks far better than Rosebud ever did). >> >> >> Though the music definitely favors Industrial, there's just enough Goth >> thrown in to balance things out. And the Industrial side of things has a >> good deal of variation - from old school to new. I've been every week >> since >> it started and have enjoyed every night. The space is beautiful and >> parking >> is pretty easy (I'll admit to having first been a little nervous about >> that). >> >> >> About the only squick is that it started of All-ages, but was moved to >> 21+ >> when only a single-digit number of underagers were showing up. A shame, >> but >> completely understandable. I remember when Ceremony at Club Laga used to >> pull so many young folks in...I guess times have changed. >> >> >> I'm certainly looking forward to Midian tonight. >> >> >> J >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pgh-goth-list mailing list >> pgh-goth-list at listless.org >> http://www.listless.org/mailman/listinfo/pgh-goth-list >> >> >> End of pgh-goth-list Digest, Vol 77, Issue 1 >> ******************************************** >> > _______________________________________________ > pgh-goth-list mailing list > pgh-goth-list at listless.org > http://www.listless.org/mailman/listinfo/pgh-goth-list > From jet at flatline.net Tue Feb 9 23:11:16 2010 From: jet at flatline.net (j. eric townsend) Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 23:11:16 -0500 Subject: Midian In-Reply-To: <020420102314.25071.4B6B54C500083617000061EF22230706129B0A02D29B9B0EBF970E0C0A0B06@att.net> References: <010220101603.6789.4B3F6E550007966500001A8522218865869B0A02D29B9B0EBF970E0C0A0B06@att.net><40723.170.170.59.133.1262455831.squirrel@webmail8.pair.com> <4B461922.7040308@columbus.rr.com> <020420102314.25071.4B6B54C500083617000061EF22230706129B0A02D29B9B0EBF970E0C0A0B06@att.net> Message-ID: <4B7231E4.1010305@flatline.net> missed it last week due to a conference and will probably miss it this week because of frostburn. jdecay at att.net wrote: > Though the music definitely favors Industrial, there's just enough Goth thrown in to balance Industrial music that normal goth/ebm/industrial types can dance to, or hellish 180bpm tracks that only meth freaks can keep up with? -- J. E. 'jet' Townsend, IDSA Design, Fabrication, Hacking design: www.allartburns.org; hacking: www.flatline.net; HF: KG6ZVQ PGP: 0xD0D8C2E8 AC9B 0A23 C61A 1B4A 27C5 F799 A681 3C11 D0D8 C2E8